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What does it take to build a life, and a business, far from home?

Meet Jordan Setiawan, an Indonesian entrepreneur in Melbourne who transformed his student journey into a thriving career in hospitality. After arriving in 2019 with limited English, Jordan faced Melbourne’s strict COVID lockdowns, lost touch with his Indonesian community, and struggled to find his place. But through coffee, resilience, and a reconnection to culture, he co-founded Mr. Summit Café and recently launched the new Indonesian eatery, Kantin Kita. His story reflects the challenges and triumphs of the Indonesian diaspora: building dreams overseas while staying rooted in identity.

On this episode, Jordan Setiawan joins Billy Adison Aditijanto on The Perantau Podcast to talk about reconnecting with Indonesian identity, battling burnout as a café owner, and why food is his bridge between Melbourne and Indonesia.

This episode is entirely delivered in English.

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Transcript

[00:06] Billy Adison
Hi everyone. I’m Billy and welcome back to the Perantau Podcast where we share stories from Australia’s Indonesian diaspora. Today we have Jordan Setiawan, who came here in 2018 for his studies. And then fast forward to 2022. He opened Mr. Summit, as we see now here today with buddies Dan and Tony. And then in 2025, now he’s also opening his own restaurant canteen just a few blocks from here. Jordan, thank you very much for coming on.

[00:34] Jordan Setiawan
Thank you very much for having me. This is great. As I said before, like the perantau podcast is amazing. It’s so good to see, you know, like an Indonesian. And then they, they do something in Melbourne, you know. I mean they do something, they, they do something passionate and here you are. And it’s amazing to have you here and to be in this podcast.

[00:53] Billy Adison
Yeah, no, I mean, likewise. It’s crazy that we came to Melbourne at the same time, but then, you know, back in 2019, but now in six years after that, we finally meet.

[01:01] Jordan Setiawan
For the first time. That’s right.

[01:02] Billy Adison
In your own establishment. So I think I think that I think that’s bizarre. That’s insane. And I think that’s pretty cool. Now, before we get into my nice list of questions. All right, tell me first in in one word. How do you define your connection with Indonesia?

[01:19] Jordan Setiawan
Oof, I would say identity.

[01:24] Billy Adison
Identity? Tell me more.

[01:28] Jordan Setiawan
I feel like I’ve been living in Melbourne for six years, six, seven years now and I don’t really have a lot of indoor friends or connect with the community in Melbourne here. And I really want to, I really want to reconnect with the Indonesian community here. But if you if you ask me why identity. Because deep down I know that that’s my you know, that’s my identity. I’m an Indonesian and I’m proud to be an Indonesian and this is who I am and it’s my home, it’s my, you know, my, my everything, you know. And, and that’s why I really want to reconnect with them. Indonesian community in Melbourne. And so yeah.

[02:13] Billy Adison
I think that begs the question then in the last six years why have you felt disconnected from the Indonesian community here?

[02:19] Jordan Setiawan
I think a lot of a lot of the reasons, one of the reasons probably COVID. With COVID.

[02:23] Billy Adison
Were you here throughout the entire time were you hear through the Internet.

[02:26] Jordan Setiawan
And it’s high time. And that’s why that’s one of the reason why I have this visit to Seoul with my with my mates. Yeah. But, you know, probably one of the reason is COVID. There’s a lot of Indo that that moved back to to their home country, move back to Indonesia or like get stuck there. And even my girlfriend got stuck there for back then it was she wasn’t my girlfriend, but but she was, she was back in India for I think a year or two. And then the only people that I connect with during that time, the non-Indian people know and I start losing slowly, slowly the Indonesian in me, you know, I mean. And yeah, I just want to reconnect back to the community here. Yeah. Yeah.

[03:16] Billy Adison
So how’d you meet your fellow co-founders? Co-owners?

[03:19] Jordan Setiawan
We used to work together. Oh, nice. Yeah. So, again, during the the COVID period, I was working in a place called Clinical. It’s literally just down the road now. It’s not there anymore. It’s permanent post. But Tony used to be my boss. Yeah, so he used to be my boss and. And Daniel used to be my. My coworker.

And then I guess we just we share the same vision, same, you know, same like, same goals and all that. And we decided to. To open our new. Our own coffee shop. Yeah, yeah.

[03:55] Billy Adison
So since coming here in 2019, what made you end up working at the hospitality scene? I mean, you were telling me that you came here for uni. William English Very hospitality. You kind of school? Yes. What? So what did you study in those at the start?

[04:09] Jordan Setiawan
Well, I study hospitality. I end up hating it. But why?

[04:13] Billy Adison
I mean, you’re working at it now.

[04:14] Jordan Setiawan
Yeah, not the hospitality aspect of it. Yeah, more like this. The classroom side of school, you know? I mean, like the fact that you have to go to school, see a classroom, um, watching the teacher say something. I don’t even know what they’re saying. And back then, I couldn’t speak English as well. Yeah, like when I came to Australia, my English was very limited. My, um, I could understand, but I couldn’t speak at all. I couldn’t speak English and and communicate with people, you know?

[04:50] Billy Adison
So what made you come to Australia in the first place then?

[04:52] Jordan Setiawan
Um my, my mum, my mum always, you know, like because she used to, she used to study here, I know, she used to study in Melbourne and then I guess she fell in love with Melbourne and all of that. But um, and it’s one of her dreams to put all of her kids in Melbourne and all four of us. So, and she did it like close the hey, you know, success and success. Um, so you came to Australia and then study hospitality, end up hitting it, um, heading the study part of it, the, the classroom part of it. Um, and what made me go to jump into hospitality like business or like work in hospitality purely in the beginning it was just because I love Knots Out. Oh, no. Okay. I love seeing lights out in, like, coffees, and I want to learn new things. I like to learn new things not in the classroom. I just like to learn.

00;05;51;23 – 00;05;52;24
Billy Adison
You like the practical stuff?

00;05;52;24 – 00;06;21;15
Jordan Setiawan
Exactly. Yeah. And then I started like watching YouTube videos about how to make coffees and and start, you know, buying my own coffee machine at home and start practicing with my friend and, um, during COVID, I tried to apply to coffee shop. They end up, like, rejecting me a lot of times. And then because I don’t have any experience, then once I got it and then it’s just, you know, yeah, the rest is history.

00;06;22;22 – 00;06;49;20
Billy Adison
So you working at that other cafe we met? Tony and then. Yeah. And so what made you decide to open up your own coffee shop considering 20, 22? Yeah. You know, it was, it was kind of like the new normal phase open was getting back on its feet while at the same time and city Melbourne had a lot of cash injections for small businesses. So what made you have the idea of opening up a new cafe where there was a lot of uncertainty and there was a lot of cafes closing down?

00;06;49;23 – 00;08;09;00
Jordan Setiawan
Yeah. Um, well, I all I always known from the beginning that I want to open my own business. Um, the original plan was to come here, study, graduate, and then go back home, open my own business. That’s the plan since the beginning. Um, but then with everything that happened and then, you know, I guess it’s just a, it’s, it’s an opportunity, you know, it’s an opportunity, um, that I have, um, back in 2020 and I was 20 years old.

Yeah, I was ten years old when, when Tony asked me a, Jordan, do you want to open a coffee shop with me? Let’s open a coffee shop together. And I always know that this is like, you know, a business is, is something that I want. And I’ve been and and I did some research about it. And then, like basic, I was just, you know what?

Fuck it. Let’s do it. Yeah. Um, I have all my money in my bank, and I just put everything into the until I went to distance into Mr. Sammy. Um, and, yeah, like I think the opportunity that came and just because I love the lifestyle of coffee shops, you know, like going to a, making coffee, talking to customers, all of that I love. Yeah. So yeah.

00;08;09;29 – 00;08;27;23
Billy Adison
Now I guess since you mentioned that, talk to me about imposter syndrome. Did you ever feel like that creeping fear at the back of your mind saying, saying those really mean things of what am I doing? Why, how did I even get here? Is is this really the right decision? Did you ever have those thoughts?

00;08;27;26 – 00;10;19;00
Jordan Setiawan
Of course. Yeah, of course. Few times, actually. Yeah. Fitness. But then this this kind of feeling happens when you start feeling the burnout and you start feeling the burn out and you start feeling that you’re doing things repetitively. You’re doing things over and over again, day in, day out, without any, you know, like without a different perspective. Then this starts to happen, like the feeling of Why am I doing this?

I am I even happy doing this? Yeah. You know, I mean, and it’s dangerous. And that’s why, like me, Daniel, Tony, we believe that a little breaks here and there is is healthy like because it’s it’s not a it’s not an easy job like people think it is an easy job and in some parts yes it’s an easy it’s an is an easy job because again you just make of you it but on the other hand like doing things repetitively.

That’s the hardest part and making sure it’s consistent, making sure the standard is respected. Um, maintaining everything, you know, like we have around 20 staff working, working in this shop in the small little shop. Um, and all of like, we need to, we need to maintain the lives of the, of the, of the staff members, you know, you need to maintain everything.

And this is the hardest part. So if you don’t get enough rest, um, when I stress it’s not just physically resting like mentally as well, you know, take a little breaks here and there. If you don’t get that, you’ll end up hating this place. And we understand we don’t want that, you know. So, yeah, just the communication between the three of us, this is one of the very important things, um, that we can do.

00;10;19;17 – 00;10;23;29
Billy Adison
What’s your go to method of taking a break then?

00;10;23;29 – 00;12;56;14
Jordan Setiawan
Um, for me, like, it’s, it’s different between the three of us. Yeah, I know. Tony lasted. Go on, like, a short holiday. Nice. Yeah. Um, and then Danny. So maybe. And before me just not doing anything related to Missus Summit for, like, three or four days or even a week. If I, if I, if I need. This is enough, you know, just, um, a new set of fresh eyes, you know?

I mean, like, I always this is. This is funny story, but I was so I live in I live in the 41st floor of my building. Right? I have a nice view, like a very nice view, but because I live in there after after a while, I don’t see the nice view anymore. It’s just normal to me, you know.

And then I was I was smoking in my in my balcony a few months back. And then I was like, You know what, Jordan, let’s change my seat position. So I have to change my balcony like one facing the right side and the other one facing the left side. I always sit on the left side, facing the right side.

And one day I just thought to myself, like, you know what, let’s sit on the right side. Similar. Rosa and I have a different set of perspective. You know, and this made me realize that, wow, I have a beautiful view. I should be grateful, you know? And it goes it’s the same thing as business, you know, like if you don’t have a set, like a fresh set of eyes and a different perspective on things, then you’ll end up seeing the same thing over and over again.

And for other people, oh, you have a beautiful view, but for yourself it’s normal and this is dangerous, you know? So yeah, I think for me, just, uh, just a little breaks and seeing things from different perspective, maybe even come here as a customer. Um, enjoying the coffee or like this, enjoying the vibe or, you know, doing this, doing this thing like this, this, this podcast is, it’s, um, it’s beautiful because it made me realize more that, wow, it’s crazy that, you know, six years ago, I would never imagined surf like, you know, to be talking to you here and this podcast and this beautiful podcast and yeah, this, uh, this little break.

00;12;56;23 – 00;13;49;01
Billy Adison
That was so profound. That’s good stuff. I really appreciate you fishing about. Oh, I think and yeah, I think I think that also goes to show that running your own thing it’s it’s always it’s always a new set of challenges that not a lot of people understand. Right. Yeah. Well, you have your business. I have the podcast, of course, very different things have a lot of different skill.

You learn something I don’t, you know, that’s that’s a key difference. But at the same time, you know, managing and I think burnout is such an important is part of that management aspect right now. Going back to the topic of management with Mr. Summit, there’s there’s tons of cafes in Melbourne and one is recognized as the coffee capital of the world.

And there’s so many, you know, coffee culture is so strong here and there’s a lot of competing cafes. It’s intense competition. So what actually sets somebody apart?

00;13;49;01 – 00;14;20;00
Jordan Setiawan
That’s a very good question. A lot of things you on a business side of it. Okay, let’s see the business side of it. Feel for you. Um, well, first of all, what made us different? What makes us different is, um, the $10 deal. So this is what attracts people where. Where we’re selling a sandwich, a toastie and a coffee for ten bucks. It’s very cheap. It’s very cheap and it’s accessible for everybody. Is it.

00;14;20;00 – 00;14;20;09
Billy Adison
All day?

00;14;20;19 – 00;14;22;10
Jordan Setiawan
All day, every day? Yeah. I come.

00;14;22;10 – 00;14;22;25
Billy Adison
Here more often.

00;14;22;25 – 00;14;46;23
Jordan Setiawan
Than. And it’s convenient. Yeah. You know, we have a website as well that you can preorder. And all of this is convenient for for the residents or the office people that works in Southbank. You know, um, you preorder from your bed and then you get ready, um, going to work and then stop by this, I mean take your coffee.

00;14;46;23 – 00;15;14;02
Jordan Setiawan
That’s already ready with the toastie and then go to work. It’s convenient. You know, this is one of the unique selling points that we have. On top of that, for the coffee lovers, we are strictly using single origin coffee. Um, and we want to showcase different origins of coffee. So it’s not like, whereas a lot of, a lot of coffee shop, they use blends which I’m not against it.

00;15;14;02 – 00;15;42;06
Jordan Setiawan
I think blends is beautiful. Um, but our concept here, we want to show that this is the coffee from this country and that’s the coffee from that country, especially for our black coffee drinker. Um, we constantly rotating our, our coffee beans at the moment we’re using the Ethiopia and then in a week we’re using beans from Timor-Leste. They, and then in two weeks we will have beans from EU from Indonesia.

00;15;43;11 – 00;16;07;22
Jordan Setiawan
So this, we’re constantly rotating. Um, and I guess that’s the, you know, that’s one of the fun part of it, you know. Yeah, because I love coffee. So anyway, um, in terms of the, um, so that’s the business side. What makes me so different from personal side? I would say it’s the lifestyle, you know, um, why do we want to make like one?

00;16;07;22 – 00;16;31;18
Jordan Setiawan
Why do we want to create some equality? We want to, to build a coffee shop is because this, the lifestyle that we love, um, it’s not purely about money. Like, it’s never our intention to just really focus on, okay, let’s make money. This isn’t, it’s not like that. We, um, we always, like, we always believe that, um, the lifestyle is the most important thing.

00;16;31;26 – 00;16;51;17
Jordan Setiawan
And on top of that, we value people first, then money. And when you value people, value your customers, value your staff, and the money will follow. And if you strongly believe in that, then you’ll see the result, you know. So yeah, that’s um, that will be the answer.

00;16;51;27 – 00;17;12;24
Billy Adison
Yeah. Now going to your other venture, I think that just opened up a few blocks away not too long ago. Now my question for that one is why? Why, why, why now? Why here? What’s what’s the main driver?

00;17;12;24 – 00;17;44;08
Jordan Setiawan
Um, I would say all credit goes to my sister, Jess. She’s the brain behind coordinator. Um, and why is because first, okay, on the business side and the business side, South Bank is lacking in affordable food, you know, as you know, like you live in, in the CBD for, for six years now. Right. Six, seven years. And then you work you say you work in South Bank.

00;17;44;08 – 00;18;08;14
Jordan Setiawan
Yes. You know that it’s hard to find a cheap food in South Bank. You need to go to the city because it’s so close to the city that it doesn’t make sense for people to to to to open in South Bank, especially with the rent is the rents say and then the comparison between the rent and CBD and South Bank is not too different.

00;18;08;15 – 00;18;47;11
Jordan Setiawan
Yeah. I mean so it doesn’t make sense for, for, for people to open a cheap food here and um, but people, people, people that, you know, that South Bank has one of the most densely populated is the most dense, one of the most densely populated shopping populated suburb in Melbourne. Yeah. And in Victoria. So the reason behind it is is that is we want to provide cheap food to, to the locals, to the people that lives in something to the industry is in Southbank.

00;18;47;24 – 00;19;12;28
Jordan Setiawan
Um and we love a home cooked meal, you know, a comfort food where it’s convenient as well. Like you get a rise in a dish for ten bucks a sheep. It’s convenient. And then it’s close to your house after you finish your work. Um, you don’t know what to cook or you come before cooking. Just go to canteen, keep that in and and then grab your wrap your dinner.

00;19;13;02 – 00;19;18;21
Jordan Setiawan
Yeah. Or lunch. And either way and that’s the that’s the reason behind it is.

00;19;18;21 – 00;19;19;28
Billy Adison
That your go to elevator pitch.

00;19;20;17 – 00;19;22;11
Jordan Setiawan
Um, yeah.

00;19;22;11 – 00;19;23;04
Billy Adison
$10 meals.

00;19;23;15 – 00;19;48;27
Jordan Setiawan
Yeah. $10 dinner. Yeah. So that’s the, that’s the, the reason behind it. And once when, when, when just my sister, when she pitched the business idea to me, I knew that it’s going to work. I knew that South Bank need that. I live in South Bank for six years, six, seven years as well. And it’s lacking that, you know, I sometimes some at home I don’t want to cook.

00;19;49;09 – 00;20;11;06
Jordan Setiawan
I like I don’t want to cook. I don’t want to Uber because it’s expensive. Um, and sometimes I think, like, oh, I wish this is a cheap eatery here, you know, where you can get a simple meal for four for a cheap price and you don’t even have to think about cooking anymore. Um, and, yeah, that’s the thing.

00;20;13;00 – 00;20;22;11
Billy Adison
With I’m thinking now with you specifically is, is that kind of your way to reconnect with Indonesia in.

00;20;22;11 – 00;20;47;07
Jordan Setiawan
Melbourne. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That’s, I forgot to mention that actually. Thanks for reminding me. Um, yeah, because, um, you know, with the Indonesian culture and everything like food is always sharing and then, you know, growing with your friend and you hanging out and, and all of that, um, and I believe that, you know, Indonesian food needs to be shared as well.

00;20;47;07 – 00;21;06;02
Jordan Setiawan
If I have an Indian restaurant I want to share it. If, if I want people to know I want people to come and eat with us, you know? I mean, so that’s, um, yeah, like, that’s one of the, one of the way to reconnect to my Indonesian identity, I would say, yeah, yeah.

00;21;06;29 – 00;21;26;29
Billy Adison
How important has it been looking at your Indonesian identity and I guess upbringing right. And how, how important has it been in terms of how you navigate the business side of things? MM Is it really much of an influence or is it just, it’s, it’s all something that is really important on a day to day.

00;21;26;29 – 00;21;50;20
Jordan Setiawan
I think, I think there is a, I think there is some influence, um, like my, my, my family is a business family. Like, my dad has a business. My mum as a business. And therefore, I know, I think once I grew up, I want to be a businessman. I mean, this kind of thinking since I was a kid.

00;21;50;20 – 00;22;09;22
Jordan Setiawan
Um, so I think that is one of the, you know, influential, influential, um, thing for, for, for me. Yeah, I think so. I think, I think that’s them. That’s the one you know so well.

00;22;09;22 – 00;22;33;08
Billy Adison
What’s, what’s the next steps for you? Because you were saying that next year you’ve got to leave now. Yeah, I’m going back to going back to Indonesia. Yeah. And I was talking about how I saw a picture on Instagram where you were 20 and then all three in batik holding a certificate of something. And the next slide was, you guys in, I think, a big building that was still under construction.

00;22;33;19 – 00;22;34;15
Billy Adison
So tell me more about that.

00;22;35;11 – 00;23;08;08
Jordan Setiawan
Um, well, our plan is to open a mrs. summit in Bali. Yeah, that’s the plan because again, like, as I said, Indonesia is my identity and it’s my home. Yeah. And I know that at the end of the day, I will go back home, I won’t get a PR here, I won’t be a citizen here. Indonesia is my place in it is my home and I want to bring a part of me in Melbourne to Indonesia.

00;23;08;24 – 00;23;33;05
Jordan Setiawan
On top of that, Tony and Daniel, they love Indonesia, you know, they like Tony is doing an Indonesian lesson every single week. Nice. Yeah. Once, once a week. Um, is doing this online class and it’s like learning Bahasa, um, and at the moment he can speak like he can actually communicate it in bars. I would just say it’s amazing.

00;23;33;10 – 00;23;36;21
Billy Adison
When we should have had him on today and everything cool. Yeah.

00;23;36;21 – 00;24;24;16
Jordan Setiawan
Yeah. He just amazingly he can. He can. He can talk. He can communicate in Bahasa and Daniel as well is starting to learn slowly, slowly. Um, maybe it’s a bit harder for him because you never, like, learn a new language before he only knows English. And then, I guess new language, it’s a little bit harder for him, but he’s he fell in love in, in Bali, you know, and that’s why I like now 100%, we want to want to open one in Bali as well and and since I’m, I’ll be moving back to Bali, um, I know that I’ll be the one taking care of Bali, a Bali branch and then Daniel will be here

00;24;24;16 – 00;24;29;28
Jordan Setiawan
and Tony will be in between. And yeah, that’s the, that’s the plan you know Bali by the venue.

00;24;30;07 – 00;24;42;13
Billy Adison
But again you do you see Mr. Summit or you know, I guess an adjacent cafe part of a potential group, so to speak. Do you see another cafe opening up in other cities around Indonesia, or is it just Bali for now?

00;24;42;22 – 00;25;07;15
Jordan Setiawan
Um, not just around Indonesia. Our dream. Oh, we have big dreams, right? Yep. Yeah. But our dream is to have Mr. Summit everywhere in the world, you know, to have people that have the same vision and goals with us and and, you know, bring them with us, like, um, people that understand how we work and understand why we are doing this.

00;25;08;19 – 00;25;20;27
Jordan Setiawan
We want to, we want to bring them with us and, and hopefully in the future having Mrs. Summit all around the world. Yeah, that’s the, that’s the plan. Yeah. Big dreams.

00;25;21;03 – 00;25;36;20
Billy Adison
I think it’s good to dream big, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Well, okay, now before we wrap things up, my, my favorite part of I guess the whole episode is, is a quickfire segment. So, so shoot eight questions to you. Don’t think, just answer.

00;25;36;21 – 00;25;39;25
Jordan Setiawan
Okay. All right. Very sure.

00;25;39;25 – 00;25;43;19
Billy Adison
All right. One, what current coffee trend do you hate the most.

00;25;44;05 – 00;25;47;12
Jordan Setiawan
So very much.

00;25;47;12 – 00;25;51;13
Billy Adison
Okay, two, one. What’s one into dish that every melburnian should try?

00;25;51;18 – 00;25;54;05
Jordan Setiawan
Don’t think I’m being. That’s my favorite.

00;25;54;09 – 00;25;56;29
Billy Adison
You think they like it, though? I’ve always.

00;25;56;29 – 00;26;01;08
Jordan Setiawan
I don’t know. But for less. That’s like I love lamb.

00;26;01;08 – 00;26;03;07
Billy Adison
But at least. At least try. At least.

00;26;03;07 – 00;26;04;12
Jordan Setiawan
Right? Yeah, exactly. At least try.

00;26;04;18 – 00;26;10;09
Billy Adison
Three. If you could have coffee with any Indonesian figure, dead or alive, who would it be?

00;26;10;17 – 00;26;22;00
Jordan Setiawan
Oh, that’s a very good question. I, I would say do that from Ceylon 706 and four.

00;26;22;06 – 00;26;26;04
Billy Adison
What’s the hardest part of running a cafe.

00;26;26;04 – 00;26;30;22
Jordan Setiawan
Doing things repetitively? Yeah, consistency. That’s the hardest part.

00;26;32;16 – 00;26;35;28
Billy Adison
Five Your proudest moments since opening Mr. Summit?

00;26;35;28 – 00;26;39;19
Jordan Setiawan
Um, our three year anniversary, actually. Yeah, like we.

00;26;40;01 – 00;26;41;20
Billy Adison
So this year. Year, 2020. Yeah, this.

00;26;41;20 – 00;27;02;03
Jordan Setiawan
Year it’s the 9th of April of this year. We, our plan was just to do a little gathering, a little gathering with our close friend, friends and family and then, um, some of our like regular customers as well. And then it turns out to be like one of the most wholesome, like, you know, just beautiful, like the community of, of, of Southbank.

00;27;02;14 – 00;27;28;13
Jordan Setiawan
And then the friends and family that we love and all of all of, like every part of our life. Just been to one little coffee in, like gathering to in one coffee shop and and celebrate the three year anniversary with us. This is amazing. Like this one of them I think one of the most proud moment of of my Mrs. Summit life.

00;27;28;18 – 00;27;29;04
Jordan Setiawan
Yeah. Yeah.

00;27;29;17 – 00;27;33;22
Billy Adison
All right. Six. What’s your go to Indonesian comfort food. I think I’m.

00;27;33;29 – 00;27;34;22
Jordan Setiawan
I think I’m busy.

00;27;36;00 – 00;27;41;01
Billy Adison
A seven describe Melbourne’s hospitality scene in one word. Oh.

00;27;42;23 – 00;27;51;00
Jordan Setiawan
Um I would say multicultural.

00;27;51;17 – 00;27;59;18
Billy Adison
Yeah. Now last but not least, if you weren’t working in hospitality, where would you be?

00;27;59;18 – 00;28;21;15
Jordan Setiawan
Um, well, I always wanted to be an athlete. Oh, that’s, um, like when I was a kid, I used to. To race, like, go kart race. I used to play soccer as well. I used to display a lot of things and do a lot of sports. Um, so I think maybe like. Yeah, maybe like something in sports. Yeah, yeah.

00;28;22;00 – 00;28;44;15
Billy Adison
Oh, great. Now that wraps up our resolution enjoyed and thank you very much for coming. I really appreciate it. As I was talking about before, getting people, getting Indonesians from the hospitality hospitality scene has been, I think, one of the most difficult people to reach out to. So I’m very fortunate that you reach out to me to see if we can if we can put together year your time as well.

00;28;44;15 – 00;28;45;00
Billy Adison
Thank you very much.

00;28;45;07 – 00;29;14;08
Jordan Setiawan
Thank you very much. As I said, like Fran, the podcast is when I when I listen to your episode, I was like, oh, this guy’s great. Like this guy, I really want to be here. I really appreciate you all coming back to New Jersey. Yeah. All right. Great. Thank you so.